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| | I dont have two years of Berkley under my belt, no teachers have mentored me etc. I grew up on the street of hard knocks musically. Simple question here, youve got two weeks to learn 20 tunes and your on stage doing them. OK, its not Steve Vais band nor is it replacing Vinnie for a Jeff Beck tour. The tunes are simple enough but breaks and instrument intros are scattered throughout the list. My plan was the only one i had and that was intense listening and complete memorization for the most part. Not knowing even basic reading became my personal hell during this period. The gig is tonight and ive felt like ive taken a postal exam each day for two weeks. How do YOU write things out if under this situation. Thanks for some company in my misery. |
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| Amrawco (4/26/2008)
I dont have two years of Berkley under my belt, no teachers have mentored me etc. I grew up on the street of hard knocks musically. Simple question here, youve got two weeks to learn 20 tunes and your on stage doing them. OK, its not Steve Vais band nor is it replacing Vinnie for a Jeff Beck tour. The tunes are simple enough but breaks and instrument intros are scattered throughout the list. My plan was the only one i had and that was intense listening and complete memorization for the most part. Not knowing even basic reading became my personal hell during this period. The gig is tonight and ive felt like ive taken a postal exam each day for two weeks. How do YOU write things out if under this situation. Thanks for some company in my misery. Hey Amrawco, I'm in the same boat with ya. I'm not the person who can give the best advice. Listening and memorization are great but did you accually play it out? Sometimes just listening and memorizing ain't good enough. At least for me. I've found that I'd have to play it out to feel more secure cause my brain to hand coordination don't jive unless I've got a strong "MoJo" goin' on. I don't accually write things out. Even if I did, sight reading and playin' are a whole different animal! I guess you'll have to rely on memorizing the changes, bridges and intros and occasionally improvise. Drummers definitely are masters of improv!
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| | Oly, yes, i did play it out quite a few times to be honest and the rest of the band did get together a couple times but i was rehearsing these tunes to instrumental rehearsals!. The best i could do was make out a verse chorus bridge sheet to each tune with side notes as to rim clicks during a verse, snare chorus and note any breaks, rests etc. When you dont know what your doing your notes can mean something different the next day unless you remember whole rests, half rests, etc. There were alot of instro intros and it was a bi*ch! as to thee correct count off such as would it be 1-2-1.2 or 1234 1.2 or 12341 bup ba ba into the tune. Ive been playing awhile and have NEVER had any difficulty with tune count offs in my life!. THEN, the set list was changed at the gig! with a tune ommitted so my little notes had to all be rearranged. The gig actually went off well but i was nrevous as hell!. Studio musician im NOT!!. |
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| I'm glad to hear it went off well. I'd be nervous too. I'm sure 2 years of Berklee would benefit anyone who wants to make a carrier being a musician. Your post was a very good question and has me wondering and antisipating how someone else might do it. I guess we'll just have to wait for more input from others.
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| Seeing posts such as this one makes me realize how easy I have it. I play weekly at my church and I never have to count off any song at all. The worship leader always starts us off and we all join in after a bar or two. The only bad thing is I have no idea what songs we are playing until I actually show up at church that very morning. We don't have a practice time during the week except on rare occasions. So, if there is a tough song that is unfamiliar with odd times in it or something, I have to figure it out during our Sunday pre-service practice and be ready for it by service time.
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| | You've got it so easy ET. God blessed ya. Amrawco (4/27/2008)
as to thee correct count off such as would it be 1-2-1.2 or 1234 1.2 or 12341 bup ba ba into the tune. See, you developed your own method on how to write and remember it. Cause I sure as hell don't know what that means!  
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| | I use a single sheet with a table on it for each song to write out what I need to do. For example down the left hand side I write the basic structure (one row per section) such as intro, verse1, verse2, chorus, verse3, bridge, chorus, etc. In the columns to the right of these I put specific notes about what I need to do, e.g. half-time feel, cross-stick, even a bar or two of notation to show the type of rhythm I need to play. And so on for each section of the song. This can be as detailed as you need it. If I am starting the song I'll also write notes at the top such as speed (bpm), the count-in (e.g. 1&a 2&a 1-2-3-4), type of fill if that's how it starts, etc. I have a small BOSS metronome which I set to flash to give me the bpm for the first song and have been thinking about getting one of those TAMA ones where you can program the bpm for every song in the set and then just hit a "next" button as you progress through the set. The hard thing can be putting this where you can see it. I prefer a music stand but sometimes that is not always possible in which case I prop it on the kick in front of me. If two songs are run end-to-end then I have to have both sheets visible and begin thinking about the next song before I've finished the first. And if the lights are dim it can be difficult to read so it can't be too small.
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| FarKurnell (5/1/2008)
I use a single sheet with a table on it for each song to write out what I need to do. For example down the left hand side I write the basic structure (one row per section) such as intro, verse1, verse2, chorus, verse3, bridge, chorus, etc. In the columns to the right of these I put specific notes about what I need to do, e.g. half-time feel, cross-stick, even a bar or two of notation to show the type of rhythm I need to play. And so on for each section of the song. This can be as detailed as you need it. If I am starting the song I'll also write notes at the top such as speed (bpm), the count-in (e.g. 1&a 2&a 1-2-3-4), type of fill if that's how it starts, etc. I have a small BOSS metronome which I set to flash to give me the bpm for the first song and have been thinking about getting one of those TAMA ones where you can program the bpm for every song in the set and then just hit a "next" button as you progress through the set. The hard thing can be putting this where you can see it. I prefer a music stand but sometimes that is not always possible in which case I prop it on the kick in front of me. If two songs are run end-to-end then I have to have both sheets visible and begin thinking about the next song before I've finished the first. And if the lights are dim it can be difficult to read so it can't be too small. FarKurnell, That's a great system you have. Is it possible you could post a sample of say a simple popular tune of what the sheet may look like? Obviously you're experienced in this matter and I think seeing one would help me understand it better. I know you've explained it and each song may be different as far as its structure, speed, intro,verses,chorous...etc. It would be really informative and educational.
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