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ET and everyone,
I kind of think I know what your stand on this stuff is, but let's collect some opinions and discuss the subject...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKRV6Mpm6cw
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| It's interesting to me that many popular mainstream secular bands and solo artists have all sorts of religious overtones, religious symbols permeating their albums and religious/occult lyrics and most people think nothing of it. In thrash and death metal, they can make all sorts of threats and insults against God and Christians and somehow that's okay and no big deal. Hmmm.
BTW, Carman turns me off.
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| I think that's because people used to have more reverence for religion. When certain bad boy rockers like Black Sabbath hit the scene, decades ago, all the divisions between "good" and "bad" were more clearly drawn. For example: Jesus was "good" and Satan was "bad" -everybody knew that (like, duh!). So, what angle are you going to take if you are a heavy rock band who is trying to break through and get attention? What would be a good way to shock people into paying you more attention? I don't think any of those symbols mean a thing to most of the bands who use them to market their recordings...I don't know...I suppose by now, some of them have begun to take themselves seriously and have actually started to become their own character...but, for the most part, it's all there to make little boys think, "cooooool!" to themselves when they see blood suckig devils with pentagram necklaces and upside down crosses and graveyards. Hell sells!
I'm kinda specifically using an example like the Carman one to show that even the so-called religious representatives have resorted to using more of the "demonic" aspects to sell a message -even more than the demons, themselves. By yesterday's standards, Carman's act would have been burned at the stake. There is more devil in his scenarios than there is saviour. The message (at best) is that Jesus can kick the devil's A$$!! Picture, if you will, Jesus kicking a$$ -Jesus, the streetfighter...Jesus as the leader of Fight Club.
There is big money in religion. I'll bet a LOT of truly secular musicians have faked their way into nice church gigs.
Next up: (my favorite...Count Dracula, himself....) BENNY HINN!
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| i disagree with o-lugs.
especially in metal music and other branches of metal, it's completely different to pop music. you make pop music with a certain audience in mind and you're trying to appeal to them so that you sell more albums, become more famous, make more money and get richer. in metal music, you make music because it's what you do and it's your passion. you don't make it with john down the road in mind and hoping it will appeal to him and the other 7 billion people on this world. that's what makes metal great to me. it's not the way they play, it's not the screamo stuff, it's not the heavy guitar screeches - it is partly the drumming though but that's not a big aspect. pop music has lost it's passion, which is sad when you think that 20-30 years ago, good music was actually topping the charts and not the crap we've got now. that's why i hate rap, hip-hop and all that **** so much! but that's a different topic... anyway, what i'm getting to is that i doubt that most death metal bands are death metal bands because they are trying to get famous through controversial topics like religion. because you don't get famous in a metal band. it's very underground and you won't have your song played 24/7 on the radio topping with britney spears or something. the whole point of metal bands is that you don't do to get famous - because you won't, but you play it to fulfill your life with doing what you love. in pop, pop-rock and rock music and maybe hip-hop/rap the controversy thing might be applicable because it is all about being famous.
i'm sorry i diverted this topic into another direction.
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| Music is such a powerful tool to express opinions, to create moods and to sell products in commercials etc. It irritates me a bit when I see and hear little music videos during TV news casts to switch the mind around when they're proceeding from the weather to sports. You know what I mean? Music has great ability to influence us and/or brainwash us. And I wonder sometimes how many fantastic movies would seem totally awful if there was no music backing up many of the scenes.
I used to believe that most of the "satanic" aspect of rock music was mostly to sell records. I still believe this today. But, I think much more of it is actually legitimately satanic on purpose because there are a lot of people in satanism and the occult in the music business. Everyone knows that Jimmy Page takes his Magick quite seriously and it is reflected in the songs and in the albums artwork. The Doors have an album where they're sittting around a little idol of Aleister Crowley the famous Satanist.There is a youtube video floating around that has the members of the Doors stating in an interview that their music is "spiritual." Crowley is on a Beatles album cover because John Lennon was into the occult and it is reflected in the Beatles and Lennon's solo work too. Is this just expressing ones own beliefs or promoting it? Is it propaganda? All of the above, maybe?
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| | ok, that's where i think it starts going into pop music. if you look at marylin(sp?) manson, that's also no real music. it's also pop - sorta. well, it's pop in the sense that it's probably made with people in their minds and not for the sake of making music. satanism has definitely become a big part of certain rock and death metal bands(and also anti-christ). and that probably came with the punk rockers in the '80s with rebelling. but i also think that people get caught up in their own world too much as well. they get very out of touch with the real world and start geting bored with life. and what do you do then? you start doing things which are fun, which you weren't allowed to do otherwise but since you're a "rockstar" the doors are wide open! the problem is that famous people/celebs get caught up with drugs really quickly which i don't understand! look, i'm not religious(who cares anyway), i'm not a nerd who never breaks the rules but i just don't do certain things like drugs and booze(not to get drunk). and i don't get how people who have so much going for them can just mess it all up and sometimes even die from stuff like that. there are people who have/had a hell of a time doing it(keith moon immediately comes to mind) but there are a lot more people who get caught up messing up their lifes and sometimes dying. ozzy osbourne once said something along the lines of,"do whatever you want to do that makes you happy, i took tons of drugs and if i didn't have anything to live for i would have been dead long time ago." now i respect people who are happy with what they are doing. truly happy. if this includes satanism - which i'm not too sure if that'll make you happy - then go for it. but i always tell people, there's a way of doing things - you do it clever or you don't. ok, now after this sort of rant - what i'm getting to is that who cares what you do to make yourself happy and then to get back to ET's question, i'd say that it's mostly expression - depending on the type of music... i think that for instance that people or musicians for this fact(especially them who are involved in pop) get mixed up in that kinda stuff because they are sick with life(having to care what the media says about them and just having to care!), so they don't care anymore and turn into messed up people(see above) and they go from one extreme to another(good to bad). meaning that i think quite a few musicians are just posers. definitely marylin manson! i saw an interview with him and he definitely isn't all that what people seem to think he is and how the media portrays him. in the death metal/grunge sort of music with anti-christ people and satanists, i think there aren't a lot of posers. i think that that is the real thing and full of messed up people(check out the band deicide - which means the process of killing jesus). and i think that many people who listen to metal music are messed up - i think i'm not, but... others might say i am.
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| The blatant propoganda in this music video troubles me the most:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0Benny Hinn is creepy, too! I would agree with him being Dracula...
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| | <yawn> If there is no god, then there is no "satan". Get over yourselves people. Learn to be human again.
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